Are departments actually going back to P320s or just not talking about it?

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The short answer: I haven't found any official re-issuance statements. What I *have* found is silence and gradual platform transitions that don't advertise themselves as P320 rejections.

After the Sig settlement in 2021—which, to be clear, was a settlement, not a verdict; Sig paid without admitting fault—some departments kept using P320s. Others didn't announce a switch so much as they let attrition and budget cycles move them to different platforms. LAPD shifted inventory. Some smaller agencies absorbed the "upgraded" trigger modules and called it resolved. None of them held a press conference about it.

The issue: a settlement that includes a retrofit doesn't address the underlying design question that generated Army complaints and the NYPD incidents in the first place (out-of-battery discharge under specific conditions). Sig's fix was mechanical, but the fact that a fix was needed at all—and that it took years of complaints before one materialized—is not the same as the gun "working fine from day one."

If you're asking because you're considering one: the current production P320s have the updated trigger and firing pin safety. Does that mean the problem is solved? Mechanically, yes. Does that mean the problem never existed? No. And the difference matters if you're making a carry or duty choice.

I'd call your local PD's range master or training officer directly. They'll tell you what they're carrying now. That'll give you better intel than any official release.

Sgt. Danny Prater · Accepted Answer

Good breakdown, but I'll add what I'm seeing from the duty side.

Our department qualified on P320s for about four years. We didn't make any announcement when we transitioned to Glocks—we just started issuing them on new hires and let natural attrition handle the rest. No press release, no formal rejection statement. That's how most agencies do it.

The retrofit fix worked. I've run thousands of rounds through updated modules, and the out-of-battery discharge issue isn't something we see anymore in qualification or contact drills. But you're right that a fix being necessary and a gun "working fine from day one" are different animals.

What actually drives quiet transitions at the department level isn't usually the mechanical issue itself—it's liability calculus, training standardization costs, and supply chain predictability. Sig settled, they fixed it, the gun functions. But one platform across a 200-person department means one training cycle, one parts inventory, one armorer certification. When budget allows, most commands move toward consolidation, and that decision gets buried in routine procurement.

If you're looking at a P320 for personal carry, the current production gun is solid. The updated trigger is reliable. But don't mistake department silence for a clean bill of health—it usually just means the liability question got settled and the operational question got solved.

Call your range master. That's real intel.

David Walsh · Answer

This is the actual answer, and it deserves to be stated plainly: department procurement and liability are separate questions that get tangled together in threads like this.

When a manufacturer settles a design dispute without admission of fault, the settlement agreement itself—not the publicity around it—is what reshapes institutional behavior. Sig's retrofit agreement almost certainly included indemnification language and ongoing warranty provisions that shift liability exposure downward for adopting agencies. That's the real driver of the quiet transition bluegrass.leo is describing, not some hidden skepticism about the gun's mechanical reliability.

Here's what matters legally: once Sig issued the retrofit and agencies accepted it, the documented defect moved from "known design flaw" to "resolved engineering issue." From a liability standpoint, that's significant. A department using pre-retrofit P320s and experiencing an out-of-battery discharge today faces exposure; a department using current production modules or retrofitted guns has a much cleaner paper trail. Silence isn't distrust—it's legal prudence.

The consolidation rationale bluegrass.leo mentioned is real and valid, but it's not the *only* reason agencies move platforms quietly. Once your legal and procurement teams determine that staying with Platform A creates documentation liability while Platform B doesn't, procurement becomes a checkbox item rather than a policy announcement.

If you're evaluating the P320 for personal carry: current production trigger and firing pin safety address the specific malfunction that triggered the settlement. That's documented. Whether you trust Sig's engineering culture afterward—that's a separate, legitimate question, but it's not a legal one.

Not legal advice; talk to a lawyer if you're evaluating institutional liability.

Drew Fennell · Answer

The silence isn't legal prudence—it's institutional damage control, and there's a difference.

ctpistol's right that indemnification language matters, but that's exactly my point. Sig didn't engineer a fix because the gun "worked fine from day one." They engineered a fix because enough documented incidents had accumulated that the liability exposure required one. The settlement language and the retrofit module are damage control products, not vindication.

blue grass.leo's experience is real—departments do move platforms quietly for consolidation reasons. But let's be clear about what quiet transitions actually signal when they happen *after* a settlement over a specific mechanical failure. It's not neutral procurement math. It's an agency deciding that maintaining institutional distance from a platform associated with out-of-battery discharge is worth the retraining cost.

I've been tracking P320 incidents since 2015. The Army's TMSC complaints. The NYPD discharges—those were 2015 and 2017, before any retrofit. The Sig Academy instructor in 2018. The lawsuit settlements. The retrofit. Then the quiet platform transitions at multiple departments. That's not a sequence that reads like "gun works fine now." That's a sequence that reads like "we need to not be holding this liability anymore."

Current production P320s have the updated trigger. I'm not arguing they malfunction daily. I'm arguing that the fact a mechanical fix was *necessary* tells you something about Sig's initial design process that no amount of indemnification language erases.

You want to carry one? Your choice. But don't mistake settlement paperwork for absolution.